Talk Talk unreliable broadband. #

About a six weeks ago I was sweet talked into changing from BT to Talk Talk free broadband. I was not looking for a move but free calls to landlines and some mobiles plus free broadband for a flat fee seemed reasonable. Also the speed offered was above anything BT had offered. I queried that but Talk Talk assured me that their own equipment in the exchange meant they could get a faster line than BT could. I explained I was a home worker and needed reliability and speed.

I was told I would get everything I wanted an that my current modem and installation was fine.

The first thing to go wrong was I did not receive the 'Welcome pack' so on the day of switch off by the old provider I could not connect to the internet but the help line got me sorted very well in 12 minutes or so. No real problem except queuing to get answered had taken 14 minutes on top of the 12 minutes.

But from day 1 the line was flakey. The connection kept being dropped. Sometimes for a few seconds and sometimes for many minutes. Then two days later I went 'off-line' for 3 hours. Then two days later I lost it for a whole afternoon. I rang the support line and was answered in India I think. The line quality was not the easiest to work with but I guess for costs outsourcing must help Talk Talk make it free. We went through the help script. Everything checked out so I got the 'take two asprins and go to bed' Doctors response (we don't know what is wrong but hope it is better in the morning). I expained I was using the same PC equipment with the same wireless modem I had used for years without connection problems and in less than a week had more downtime that in 5 years with BT. Another week went by with much the same pattern. My next call to the support people had me buy new microfilters (never mentioned as a possible need during the sales pitch). I was also asked to move my wireless laptop away from the modem and try that. I still had the same issues so I called support again.

Again I was told - buy new filters and move laptop but now I was told to move the DEC phone away. In effect I had to move my office around. Never a problem before with the same kit and BT but hey ho it is free and my office could do with a change around (not!)

A few days later I am still having a problem. A call again has me being told - change the microfilters, move laptop away from router, move DEC phone away....yes done.... OK. Please move the modem and wire direct into the phone line socket. Wow and move the lounge furniture? I cannot wait to see what else I will be asked.

The sales person had never said to get free broadband I would have to rearrange my whole study and now move the router into the lounge. Wait for it.....I bet I will only be able to use my wireless laptop in the same room as the modem as my study will be too far away to use it! (Actually I don't know that yet)

Last weekend as usual the connection was flakey until it went off at 9.15am Sunday am. By 2pm I needed access urgently. So I phoned and talked to the Indian or Australian support desk. Guess what - I had to repeat myself and explain I had done everything they asked. Eventually I said I wanted to cancel my 'non-service'. That was when I was told that it would cost me £70! I had been charged £30 for a service that have never worked properly - certainly spending hours on the phone (and running up support call costs) plus lost working hours sort of wipes out any free purchase price. Now - they wanted to charge me to disconnect something that did not work. The sales person never mentioned that.

I asked to speak to a manager or have an e-mail address so I could contact them. I was told that there was no e-mail address available. I could only talk to them or disconnections and it would cost me £70 to terminate the service. I asked to speak to someone at a higher level. I did and having told them I had done everything in their script was told they would run diagnostic checks. She then informed me she had 'confirmed' my complaint but I would have to take it to a level 2 operator. The sales person had never said I would need to double justify not getting a service.

I wrote an e-mail to an address I found on the bill on Monday 10th - just about a month after this saga started. This is what I said:

Comment:
I am totally frustrated at the poor connection and unreliable nature of broadband. It has never worked properly since day 1 with the line dropping every few minutes and then being 'off-air' for hours. I work from home so this is a disaster. I will be in the middle of sending a large file and it will not get sent as the line drops. Before switching (from BT broadband) the sales person said it would be simple and done at the switchboard. Since then I have spent hours on the phone to what sounds to be Indian and Australian help desks that have told me (following the same script?) to change all the microfilters, move the wireless router away from my laptop or DEC phone and then to physically relocate the wireless modem and connect it direct to the master phone socket! All these requirements were never mentioned at the time of sale! I now have a wireless modem in my lounge which is not what I wanted. Why is this necessary as I have had BT ISDN and ISDN2 and then the same broadband wireless router happily working near my Dec phone and laptop for years? The latest incident was yesterday. I was online to the internet and e-mail at 8.30am for half an hour (with frequent line drops) and then nothing. By 2pm I still did not have a connection and urgently needed access to my e-mail so I started trying to call your help desk. After many minutes wait and being put on hold I was again asked to do all the things I already have done (don't you guys keep notes?) and then told a engineer would come and if 'my fault' I would be charged £140. (This related to the phone line being down too at the time) At that point I asked for the broadband service to be cancelled. I was told that would cost me £70! I asked to speak to a manager or have an e-mail address. I was told a manager was not available and no e-mail address was provided. I asked to escalate the problem. I was then put through to someone who said EXACTLY the same script to me (microfilters, direct connect etc). Finally she said she would run some tests. She then said my problem was 'validated' (after 3 weeks of complaining!) and I would have to speak to a '2nd level' and she would transfer me. She then said she could not transfer me as they were 'too busy' and I would have to call myself. I am trying to run a small business. In all the years with BT I have never had to make so many calls for support. 

I paid you guys £30 to install a service and although free it has never worked properly. This is costing me time and money to sort out. The only thing that has changed is switching from BT to TalkTalk exchange lines. Why would that suddenly cause a modem or microfilter fault? They have been fine for years. To check the kit (that you said would be ok) could cost me £140 and yet to say 'no thanks' to something that has never worked reliably will cost me another £70. This is no way to keep a customer happy.

I just want to cancel my free broadband and go back to Talk Talk. It is costing me too much time and effort and is not working releiably enough to use as a home worker. Refund me my £30 and do NOT try and charge me £70.

I await your response with interst.

Regards

======================================================================================

This is what I received back 2 days later:

Thank you for your e-mail sent on 10 December 2007 regarding your Broadband connection.

I did attempt to contact you today but you were unavailable to take my call.

I would like to apologise for the problems you are experiencing with TalkTalk Broadband.

As you stated in your letter and the notes on your account show, you have been advised to speak with our 2nd Line Technical Support department on 0870 087 8080.  You will need to speak to this department as they have the advanced technical knowledge needed to assist you in resolving this issue.  Until you have spoke with 2nd Line Technical Support and ran through full diagnostic steps with them we can not allow you to disconnect without a cessation fee of £70.00 being applied.  This is due to you needing to seek a resolution to your connection issues by using all resources we have to offer.  Once all possible diagnostics have been tried and if you still can not get a solid internet connection then we would be able to waiver the cessation fee. 

You may we be asked if you have:

  • Swapped microfilters
  • Are connected to main BT master socket with router
  • Have all extension cables been disconnected
  • Are all non ADSL equipment removed from the line such as Sky, Fax Machines etc.

These checks need completing to ensure the issue is not caused by an interference problem in your property, however if all these checks have been completed and you are currently connected to master socket it should just be a matter of confirming this is the case and then more advanced checks can then be completed.  These checks are in place to ensure this is not just an issue with internal wiring and to reduce the troubleshooting time for customers in the long run.

If you are not willing to carry on with diagnostics however, you will be able to disconnect your account with TalkTalk by contacting BT to take back over your services.  Please be aware the cessation fee will be applied and the connection fee will not be refunded as per the terms and conditions of your contract.

If there is any further assistance we can offer you, please feel free to call our Customer Services department on 0870 444 1820.

Yours sincerely

===========================================================================

And this was my response....

Thank you for your e-mail.

 

I am very uncomfortable with this whole process for the following reasons.

 

  • A disconnection fee of any sort was never mentioned in your original sales pitch
  • At no time have I been informed that there has to be two levels of service to pass
  • Having followed every step you have asked me to do (and as confirmed by me to your own support people on a number of occasions) I am now being made to spend time justifying my lack of service again to another service level.
  • All these caveats to a reliable service were never mentioned in your sales pitch (i.e: Free broadband available but please be aware before signing and installing you may need to…….you really should put a health warning on all these but I guess that would reduce the sign-up figures that your team is commissioned on.)
  • Despite having not had a reliable service from Day 1 there is no mention of a refund of my ‘connection’ charge or compensation for loss of service (BT provided a 4 hour guaranteed fix. I have one 24 hour loss and one 48 hour loss with yourselves)
  • You put all the onus back on me – I have to call your 2nd line, I have to reconnect to BT. Very quick and efficient to take my order and swap me over but slow and awkward to sort out an unhappy customer.
  • Why risk making me even more unhappy? You will notice I have been a happy Talk-Talk Customer for years and have my mobile account with you. In the past my kids mobiles were with you too. A quick look at my accounts will show I spend an average of £1500 per year with you on telecoms. Why risk upsetting me over FREE broadband? I just cannot see the business sense in that.

 

I do note that you tried to talk to me. Thank you for at least trying.

 

I will do as you say but suffice to say I am not at all impressed by this whole process.

 

I do note that you only came slightly above BT in dissatisfaction (last but one) in the recent JDPower broadband service provider satisfaction survey. Having talked to a number of my friends they have all suffered installation teething problems (all less than me) but have been left unhappy at how they have been dealt with especially as many are home workers like myself who depend on a reliable connection. Super-fast but unreliable and flakey is less useful than slower but reliable.

 

Let’s see what tomorrow brings. The saga continues and by my records I am now at over 3.25 hours of calls and e-mails dealing with this issue in over a month and I still cannot get and maintain a satisfactory connection.

 

Regards


===========================================================

I will ring them tomorrow when I can find sometime and see what happens next in this saga?

Am I being unreasonable? Am I alone in being this frustrated? I could just ignore the lack of broadband rather than disconnect but after all I paid £30 for it so feel I should at least get that back.

 

12/12/2007 9:03:13 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00) #    Add to del.icio.us Add to digg Comments [0]  |  Trackback

 

All content © 2008, Adrian Moss
Blogroll
Calendar
<October 2008>
SunMonTueWedThuFriSat
2829301234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
2627282930311
2345678
Archives
Sitemap
 
 3M
 ABC News
 Ads
 AdWeek
 Age Discrimination
 Age Regulations 2006
 All Blacks
 American Express
 Amputees in Action
 anti-social behaviour
 Apple
 Australia
 BA
 Badgers
 Barclays
 BBC
 BBC iPlayer
 BEA
 Ben & Jerry's
 Blog Council
 Blogging
 Blogosphere
 BOTTLE PR
 Bourbon Dolphin
 Brands
 Brands2life
 Brian Solis
 broadband
 Brodeur
 Budget 2008
 Burma
 Business Week
 BuzzLogic
 Cadbury's
 Cadence
 Car Phone Warehouse
 Casualties Union
 CEO blogs
 Charles Leadbetter
 China
 Chrysler
 CIPR
 Cisco
 Citizen Journalism
 Citizen police
 City Link
 Club Penguin
 Coca Cola
 Colin Byrne
 Commmoncraft
 community marketing
 Company of Information Technologists
 Comparitive Media Studies
 Conde Nast
 Consumer Generated Content
 Conversational marketing
 Corporate Communications
 country living
 Crisis
 Crisis management
 Crowdsourcing
 Customer Engagement
 Customer Relationships
 Data Portability Workgroup
 Data privacy
 Debbie Weil
 Dell
 Depression
 DG SANCO
 Digital marketing
 Disney
 Don Pepper
 Dr Martha Rogers
 Ebbsfleet United
 Echo Chamber
 Edelman
 Eden Project
 Edinburgh Festival
 Employee Communications
 Employee Engagement
 EPA
 EUFIC
 European Podcast Summit 2007
 facebook
 Fake blogging
 Fat Face
 Federated Media
 Financial Times
 Fishburn Hedges
 Flickr
 Flouridation
 Forrester Research
 Fred Reichheld
 Gareth Morgan
 Gartner
 Ghost blogs
 GM
 GM Europe
 Google
 Google AdSense
 Groundswell Awards
 Guardian Unlimited
 Heather Gorringe
 Heinz
 Henry Jenkins
 HitWise
 Hotel industry
 HP
 HPA
 HSBC
 Hugh MacLeod
 Hugh McLeod
 Human behaviour
 IBM
 IM
 Indiana Jones
 Influencers
 Institute of Direct Marketing
 Intel
 internet
 internet video
 IPA
 iPM
 iPod
 IPPR
 Jamie Oliver
 Jeff Jarvis
 Jennifer Cisney
 Jennifer Jones
 Jeremiah Owyang
 Jeremiha Owyang
 John Chambers
 Johnson & Johnson
 Jonathan Schwartz
 Josephine Wills
 Joyce Lewis
 kalymnos
 Kami Huyse
 KD Paine
 Kelloggs
 Kettle
 kodak
 Leadership development
 Learning and development
 Lego
 Levi
 Lifejackets
 LinkedIn
 Littlewoods
 London Social Media Cafe
 Long tail
 Lotus
 management development
 Marcel Mauss
 Maritime and Coastguard Agency
 Market research
 Marketing Improvement Europe
 Marriott Hotels
 Marshall McLuhan
 Martha Stewart
 Mash-Ups
 MCA
 McDonalds
 Measurement
 MeasurementCamp 08
 Metrics
 Microsoft
 Mike Arrington
 Mike Butcher
 Mobile advertising
 Monty Python
 MSC Napoili
 myspace
 NBC
 Net Promoter Score
 neuroscience
 Neville Hobson
 New media
 NHS
 Nielsen Online
 Nokia
 NUJ
 Number 10
 Ofcom
 Online advertising
 Online Communities
 Online Communities
 Online newspapers/magazines
 Online video
 Open Social
 P&G
 Paul Gillin
 Personal
 Personal thoughts
 Peter Day
 Pluck
 podcast
 podcasts
 Poundland
 PR 2.0
 PR measurement
 PR Week
 Presentation skills
 press release
 Primark
 Prime Minister
 Prof Andrew McAfee
 Prof. Wesch
 Quark
 Radian6
 Reebok
 Rentokil
 Reuters
 Richard Binhammer
 Richard Sambrook
 Robert Madelin
 Robert Scoble
 ROI measurement<